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Post by azzalington on Sept 2, 2012 23:39:15 GMT 1
Hi guys I am buying a computer tomorrow and these are its specs: Case : Galaxy 3 Gamers Style Midi Tower Case Motherboard : Gigabyte Z77-D3H Motherboard Technology CPU : Intel Ivy Bridge I7 3770K Unlocked CPU Hard Drive : 1tb Sata Hard Drive Memory : 8gb DDR3 1333 Memory Graphics Card : Nvidia Geforce GT 640 1gb DDR3 Power Supply : 450 Watt Branded Power Supply Optical Drive : 24x Dual Layer Sata DVD Writer
So I was wondering if I could run iCENHANCER smoothly with no lag or minimum lag, I read that 12 GB ram is recommended
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Post by kristiannn on Sept 2, 2012 23:45:20 GMT 1
Well, you have a really good CPU but the GPU kinda sucks. It's more of an office GPU, not gaming one. But anyways, GTA 4 doesn't require a superb video card, but a superb CPU. You might do alright. Depends on how good is actually this GT 640.
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Post by azzalington on Sept 2, 2012 23:50:46 GMT 1
Thanks for the reply mate, if its the GPU that lets me down there is a computer shop round the corner from my college so if my GPU is not up to scratch I will pop into the store and get them to recommend me one maybe. Thanks for giving me a basic idea of how good it is mate
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Post by kristiannn on Sept 3, 2012 2:02:14 GMT 1
Oh, and sorry I just took a look again. Get a 700W PSU. They're a very little more expensive than 450/500W range ones but you might need it. I'm getting this blue screen of death for some reason and I think it's my PSU. It might be undervoltage to CPU too actually.. Anyways, it's better to give 20$ more now than to have to give a whole new 70-80$ for a new one.
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Post by traxx on Sept 3, 2012 8:40:06 GMT 1
PSU 700w is excesive, is better a 500-600w but a quality and efficient psu than to much wattios but poor efficient/quality.
about cpu-gpu I have to agree, very powerful cpu but a poor gpu, you don't need that super cpu, his performance doesn't worth for the overprice, and that gpu really sucks, go to a HD6950 or HD7850 or higher.
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Post by dmcprince1 on Sept 3, 2012 12:32:06 GMT 1
GTA IV has bad support for AMD cards in general, especially Radeon HD 6xxx & 7xxx...
Try to get a decent Nvidia Card, GTX 560 for example.
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Post by legacyy on Sept 3, 2012 12:54:21 GMT 1
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Post by kristiannn on Sept 4, 2012 16:32:55 GMT 1
You all want to tell me 450W will be more than enough? Well, let's make it straight. I'd say go for a 450W so I can prove you I'm right but as I don't want to f**k up anyone I'll tell you my little story. i7 870 gtx 670 When I overclocked the i7 to 4GHz now I get blue screens after a few hours gameplay. It's not of lack of CPU voltage, I played with that too. It's the lack of Watts. Why would you prefer a better quality 500W one? Tell me one good reason. Please. There was one Forton for 60-70$ which was 700W (750W peak point) and 85% efficiency. Calculate, please? I won't waste your time - 595W (635W peak point). For a really GOOD quality 500W you'll throw 100-150$. Is it worth it? Please, tell me. Is it? My 500W PSU should be able to handle up to 400W, but are they really 400W? On 400W it will overheat, it will just terrorize itself. With a higher Watts one, it just won't. I mean, ok, if you want 450W - go for it. I won't stop you. I don't want to take any decisions from anyone, so I don't get blamed. I'm just telling you what I think. GTX 460 is dead. I mean, no one is making it anymore. You can try 560 and even 560 Ti. I'd always go for the better one as I make 1 PC every 4-5 years. And again, I'm telling you - it is YOUR choice. I'm not running GTA 4 very good on i7 870 @ 4GHz and gtx 670. It seems my CPU isn't good enough. But actually, isn't a 2500k cheaper? Because I think it was the best price/performance CPU. To be honest, I have no idea about CPU prices at the moment, but before some time it was. Just make sure you don't get any bottlenecks. Buy a CPU and GPU from the same era or you won't use 100% of one of these. Now, look. www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B005FSHIVG/ref=s9_simh_gw_p147_d2_i1?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=0SWYAPVFJRM6Z613PZNK&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=317828027&pf_rd_i=468294www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B004CRSM4I/ref=s9_simh_gw_p147_d2_i3?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=0SWYAPVFJRM6Z613PZNK&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=317828027&pf_rd_i=468294www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B005FSHIVG/ref=s9_simh_gw_p147_d2_i1?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=0SWYAPVFJRM6Z613PZNK&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=317828027&pf_rd_i=468294let's say we save 10-20 for a 600W PSU and not 700W one. www.amazon.co.uk/OCZ-OCZ600MXSP-UK-ModXStream-Power-Supply/dp/B001GLFD54/ref=dp_cp_ob_computers_title_0case - don't really care. I'd buy a 20$ one and I won't mind it. I'll never spend 200$ for a damn case. - probably best video card you can get - www.amazon.co.uk/Asus-GTX660-TI-DC2OG-2GD5-Borderlands-PCI-Express/dp/B008X36NHA/ref=sr_1_2?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1346772178&sr=1-2- cheaper one www.amazon.co.uk/012-P3-1573-KR-Nvidia-SuperClocked-320-Bit-Graphics/dp/B004S6Z0FM/ref=sr_1_2?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1346772350&sr=1-2- cheaper one - www.amazon.co.uk/Asus-GeForce-560TI-DirectCUII-Graphics/dp/B004K8R8DA/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1346772247&sr=1-1- cheaper one - www.amazon.co.uk/Asus-nVIDIA-GeForce-Direct-Graphics/dp/B0050MUTTA/ref=sr_1_5?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1346772272&sr=1-5Now mind that 660 ti and 560 ti have around ~35% performance difference 560 ti and 560 have let's say roughly 10% performance difference And between 660 ti and 570 is roughly 20% (performance difference) Now the difference between the 6 series and 5 series is just that 6 series are more power effective, run cooler and quieter. To be honest, my gtx 670 isn't running very cool actually. Don't know how will a 5xx be, but they seem to have fixed the big cooling problems with the 5 series, it's just a little improvement over 6xx. With this PSU, you'll handle each card but remember that the 570 will use quite a lot more power (Watts) than the 660 ti. I wouldn't go for an ATI card. I generally don't like them but they don't even run good on GTA 4 so it's not an option for you. Now I may've forgotten something, so remind me if some part is missing. Oh, and also why are you buying a DVD? Just get the one from your old PC. I have one and so far I've used it to load a few games and nothing else. Oh, yeah. I forgot HDD. Mine is Hitachi and my opinion is - don't buy Hitachi. Go for Western Digital or something better. Hitachi sucks. I thought they're not bad, but this one has really played me over. Oh, by the way, your 450W PSU will never work with a gtx 570. Just saying. EDIT: Oh, and if you're buying a video card, make sure it's not Gigabyte. Gigabyte ones don't last so much. They die a lot quicker.
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Post by gaskell on Sept 4, 2012 20:50:12 GMT 1
Agree and disagree with that post myself.
PSU under 500W is asking for issues IMO. I run a 775W. Make sure you get a PSU with dual 12v rails so you get better power throughput. Remember that a quality PSU will be rated output 80+ (80% wattage output). NO PSU can output 100% of its wattage.
Case, this comes down to airflow and presentation. Most cases are fine for airflow if you put the work into cable management.
Nvidia VS AMD is more preference altho Nvidia does have the top spots on performance. I run a 6950 (yes a 6xxx series not a 7xxx series) and everything is maxed in my settings. You cant run anything more than maxed. I'm more of an ATI/AMD fanboy but as I said, I reckon its preference.
Gigabyte card? STRONGLY AGREE here. I prefer MSI, HIS or XFX.
When I do a system build I perfer to overkill what I need. I got an i7 2600K (the unlocked one for overclocking). I never plan on overclocking but I get better temps and I have headroom so the cpu will be performing under its max. PSU and Gcard is the same. If ou get better than what you need the parts work less and wear out slower. Think of a car engine. Running at 100% RPM's will kill the motor pretty fast.
Just my 2c worth.
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Post by legacyy on Sept 5, 2012 10:02:00 GMT 1
kristiannncompletely disagree Let's take a 660TI. Typical ingame Watt Usuage is about 140W. 165W is maximum the card will ever use. But let's say it uses 180W And the 2500K with 95W Usuage, Overclocked about 105W maximum. Let's say it use 120W maximum. Now let's take a high quality PSU; www.amazon.co.uk/Be-Quiet-Straight-Power-480W/dp/B005LUXLNW/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1346835427&sr=1-1minimum 88% Efficiency and 456W Maximum Output So CPU+GPU need 300W. HDD+ODD+Fans are about abother 20W. In Total we have 320W for an high-end PC. So 130W are not used from the PSU. The 3770K has a TDP of 77W so it's even much more less. And you will tell is that you need a completely overzised and crappy OCZ PSU? I have hardware knowledge from more than 6 Years (not really much) and been into hardware support for the last 2 years. So i can say that your arguments are completely garbage xD Which Fortron was it? 60$ and 700W sounds like real crap. Good Quality PSU's cost around much more: www.amazon.co.uk/Be-Quiet-Dark-Power-550W/dp/B0087PHPUI/ref=sr_1_2?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1346836890&sr=1-2How much V did you gave the 870? 460 is dead. why? It's a good Card and has enough Power. Gigabyte is a really good brand, same quality as ASUS or MSI, i would actually recommend one of these cards.
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Post by kristiannn on Sept 5, 2012 19:03:10 GMT 1
Now, I'm new in this forum and I'm scared to get into arguments cuz I may get banned. But, look. First of all, Gigabyte makes very good motherboards, but for video cards - they blow up for no time. You'll have to change like 2 Gigabytes for the same period that you'll change 1 palit. And Palit is a very low brand. It has to be the opposite. Palits don't endure long too. But it's a fact. Even Palits last more. I've had a lot of friends who bought Gigabyte cards because they're a little cheaper (at least here) and they threw them out for no time. Now, 6 years won't tell me anything. Some people need 1 year to know a LOT. Some people need 10. It's different for everyone. I don't wanna get into stupid arguments with years and such variables which don't mean a lot. You may know a lot, you may not. Now, you are right for 1 thing. A 550W PSU will be enough. But, please, tell me. Is it worth it to spend 150$ on a 550W real PSU when you can get a 700W /not so real/ PSU for 70$? What will be the difference? I'm not a rich person and I always count my pennies around buying such stuff and from my experience, I can tell you that it's better to go for the 700W "fake" PSU. Cheaper, it has more overall power. Will run cooler. Real/Fake doesn't make a lot of difference to me. What do you pay more? The name of the brand. And more % efficiency. Well, when you use a PSU that has for example 350W max in itself and you use 320W, do you think it will be better than to have a PSU that can go up to 550W and you use only 320W of it? It's as simple as that. If you run the 550(Usable)W PSU with the cooler of the 350(Usable)W PSU, and you peak it - it will blow up. You'll have fireworks in your home. It ain't pretty tho. But if you make the opposite switch - it will run a lot cooler. Because the 550W PSU is made like this so it can live with 550W on it. Actually, both on peak point will probably overheat a little, they'll get everything out of their lives so they can make it, but you won't be running anywhere peak the 550W PSU. (I'm talking about working Watts, not the ones written on the commercials xD). So if you use like 65% of the 550W PSU, in the same time you'll use 95% of the 350W PSU. Which do you think will last longer? Which will run cooler and quieter? Simple facts. And you took 660 Ti which is power efficient. It's the best one of these in power/performance ratio. 570 uses more power. If he takes the 570 and gets a PSU which is max 350W, he'll get blue screens and PC shutdowns all the time. And it actually depends on the HDD on how much W will it use. It may use more than 20W. And yea, it is a crappy OCZ PSU but it is a CHEAP one. That's what I'm after and I bet the thread maker is after that too. Cheap, will work. That's how it has to be. I'm not after big brand names. You know what RAM I use? I don't use Corsair as much as I'd like to. I use crappy Kingston. Do you think I don't like it? It works awesome. I bet the Corsair won't make much of a difference. For example now I get almost 15 MB/s memory read capacity. What will the difference be? Not almost, but 15 MB/s read memory. I don't see the point of spending more money. Sometimes you have to cut here and there. Why give 200$ more on a whole system when you can spend it for like water cooling? I bought a water cooler for the CPU recently and it rocks. If I was buying everything like you, I wouldn't have it now. Maybe, our differences are just because you are a lot richer than I am. I'm from a poor country, mid-class person. I needed like 5 years to buy the PC I have now. 870 with 1.26V. 4 GHz, HT off. It's because of the Voltages, I'm almost 100% sure now. I did a couple of tests. 460 is a good card. A really good card. You didn't understand what I meant by "dead". I mean, they don't make it anymore. He can't buy a new one. He has to buy a used card which isn't a good idea. At least I don't like it tho. Altho a 460 would work fine for him. It would be like 1 era down on his CPU, but it will do him well.
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Post by legacyy on Sept 5, 2012 20:07:19 GMT 1
It's well known that Palit has some pretty bad cards. I had 3 different Gigabyte Cards (AMD/Nvidia) for testing porposes in my PC and never hat Problems while playing with them. 80$ (or less) for a good quality 500W PSU will do the deal. Less money for more Watt means that quality gets worse and worse. If you want you PC dead in no time then i would reccomend one of these 700W/70$ things. As I said, the PC will never need more than 320W. The Best range for PSU's to work is between 60% and 80%. If you have a 700W PSU and only use only 320W it will become very unefficient and draws much more power than it actually need, because it'S not even 50% used. The PSU's i talk about have 80+ Bronze/Silver or Gold status and can give out much more that little 350W. This beQuiet costs £76.99, has 450W and 80+Gold. It can make 405W usuable for CPU and GPU, you won't see a system ever need that much power. It doesn't even need to be that expensive, this 450W one here for £57.96 will do the same job. Can make 360W usuable and still enough Watts will be for reserve. Remember, all the TDP values are the maximum, it's common that these are never reached. A PC with 3770K (OC@4,5GHz!) and a 570 + LED Fans etc. needs 300W while gaming. So there will be more than enough free Wattage. The RAM is a whole other thing. it doesn't matter if you use Kingston, Crucial, G.Skill or anyone else. They just different from the Price because Read/Write is almost the same at all these brands. In not rich either. I work hard, get bad paid and saved my money for over a year and it took another 6 months to get the perfect pc for me.
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Post by kristiannn on Sept 5, 2012 22:50:56 GMT 1
Yes, you're right. Palit are bad quality cards. That's why I said Palit. I've had bad experience with 1 Gigabyte card and as I said, a lot of my friends have had bad experience with them too. Now, 700W PSU won't use more power. You showed me a 150-160$ PSU, that's why I said you have to be crazy to buy it over a 70$ one. In this case, it doesn't really matter. I don't see how your system will die by using a low quality PSU anyways. But in this case, from my point of view it doesn't matter at all. But you said 1 thing wrong. TDP is the maximum power draw. They do reach it. But TDP can be 100% correct for CPU. For GPU - no. Only reference cards. Because for example ASUS gets to make a video card from Nvidia. They put a better cooler and they crank up the clocks. That gives difference. Believe me or not, with these 100MHz +- you'll get like 20W difference. Overclocking costs a lot more Watts than you think. I'm talking about GPU. OC CPU will cost you max 40-50W more if you squeez it to 5GHz.
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Post by legacyy on Sept 7, 2012 8:05:57 GMT 1
Well we all have different experiences with the cards^^ The 150$ one was just to show a good one in the 700W sector. The one i linked last for ~ 50$ is a good one that a lot of guys i know use. The ones with high Watt and small price often lack different security stuff like overvolting protection and stuff like that. Yeah the TDP is maximum they can reach when they aren't overclocked. GPU and CPU can get higher than these values. CPU can get ~ 20W over it and GPU ~ 50W if they are maxxed out. Anyway.. all this arguing doesn't really help the Threadstarter^^ Let's just say we have different ways of view to this btw. removed the big qoutes, nothing else.. my posts are always above and don't need to take the space twice
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Post by aksine on Sept 9, 2012 19:15:56 GMT 1
Legaccy ,Its always to better to have a higher rated wattage PSU( and from a reputed brand) ,chances are there that you can screw up parts of the comp
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